Charts should now work in FF, IE and Opera.

Board specific Pie charts now include the number of games played.

Dev games are also now excluded from charts.

Hope that's all!

thanks

So this opens up a whole new analysis tool for designers to check the balance of their game boards. For example, we can see that player 1 seems to have a huge advantage in Gauntlet: http://www.wargear.net/boards/view/Gauntlet/Charts, whereas Spy v. Spy is actually almost perfectly balanced between 1st and 2nd seat: http://www.wargear.net/boards/view/Spy%20vs%20Spy/Charts.

Some of the neverending games from before the autoboot was implemented are messing up the timeframe graph at http://www.wargear.net/boards/view/global%20Warfare/Charts and probably others.

Kjeld wrote: For example, we can see that player 1 seems to have a huge advantage in Gauntlet: http://www.wargear.net/boards/view/Gauntlet/Charts,

...Ugh :P

Kjeld wrote: So this opens up a whole new analysis tool for designers to check the balance of their game boards. For example, we can see that player 1 seems to have a huge advantage in Gauntlet: http://www.wargear.net/boards/view/Gauntlet/Charts, whereas Spy v. Spy is actually almost perfectly balanced between 1st and 2nd seat: http://www.wargear.net/boards/view/Spy%20vs%20Spy/Charts.

61 games is just not enough to state with any confidence level that player 1 has an advantage.

IRoll11s wrote:

Kjeld wrote: So this opens up a whole new analysis tool for designers to check the balance of their game boards. For example, we can see that player 1 seems to have a huge advantage in Gauntlet: http://www.wargear.net/boards/view/Gauntlet/Charts, whereas Spy v. Spy is actually almost perfectly balanced between 1st and 2nd seat: http://www.wargear.net/boards/view/Spy%20vs%20Spy/Charts.

61 games is just not enough to state with any confidence level that player 1 has an advantage.

I agree.  In a fair game, you would expect seat One to win about 15 games out of 61, and I'm guesstimating that its actual numbers come in well under 2 standard deviations from that.

What would be of more concern to me is seat four's 6 wins out of 61 games.

M57 wrote:

IRoll11s wrote:

61 games is just not enough to state with any confidence level that player 1 has an advantage.

I agree.  In a fair game, you would expect seat One to win about 15 games out of 61, and I'm guesstimating that its actual numbers come in well under 2 standard deviations from that.

What would be of more concern to me is seat four's 6 wins out of 61 games.

Agreed. I wasn't trying to claim any statistical significance with that particular example, just pointing out that this stat could potentially be informative for mapmakers. If we want really solid stats, we need a much larger n value, which few games even approach yet.

However, the spy's numbers are nice and significant (parse that as you please).

Alpha wrote: However, the spy's numbers are nice and significant (parse that as you please).

Which brings to mind another point about analyzing these numbers.  It assumes (especially in the case of 2x2 games like SvS) that the best strategies/opening moves and sequences are being utilized on both sides.  For instance, if everyone believes that in first seat the best strategy is to charge forward, when in fact there is a better strategy, a 50/50 chart is potentially misleading.  I'm not suggesting that this is the case, but..

M57 wrote:

Alpha wrote: However, the spy's numbers are nice and significant (parse that as you please).

Which brings to mind another point about analyzing these numbers.  It assumes (especially in the case of 2x2 games like SvS) that the best strategies/opening moves and sequences are being utilized on both sides.  For instance, if everyone believes that in first seat the best strategy is to charge forward, when in fact there is a better strategy, a 50/50 chart is potentially misleading.  I'm not suggesting that this is the case, but..

Totally agree. I'm convinced black has an edge, though it went from 55%-45% to around 52%-48%.

Sorry to post something in a different direction - (Though I do agree with M57)

I love the charts (especially the boards), but could someone explain what the numbers on the bottom of some of them mean? For example I am looking at the general charts for the site and am at Games --> Games Started --> Month. Along the x-axis is "days"with 1 - 30. Is that the last 30 days or something else? Also how about Games --> Games Started --> Today. What do the -22 to 1 represent? I see it is a 24 hour time period - so I am guessing it is the last 24 hours with 1 being now. Correct?

And a request - It's cool to see the registrations growing, but I would like to see the number of unique players that log in each time period (hourly, daily, weekly, monthly.) I would like to see how many active players we have and if that number is going up down and by how much.

Super WOW with the clicking on the board pie charts, that's neat!

And now I see why the Regular/Team chart is smaller (although it could probably be turned so that Regular/Teamplay is up and down instead of left/right couldn't it?), to fit inside the box when the pie chart is separated. Perhaps the Game Size and Winning Seat (in some scenarios) pie chart should be a bit smaller too since the chart can go on top of the numbers when separated.

Should the Games Started statistic include games hosted by tournaments?

As much I love seeing Steal the Bacon as the #1 board today, it's really only because Round 3 of the tournament began and it created 8 new games.

Yertle wrote: And now I see why the Regular/Team chart is smaller (although it could probably be turned so that Regular/Teamplay is up and down instead of left/right couldn't it?), to fit inside the box when the pie chart is separated. Perhaps the Game Size and Winning Seat (in some scenarios) pie chart should be a bit smaller too since the chart can go on top of the numbers when separated.

Unfortunately there's not a lot of customisation that can be done, all that stuff is built in to the chart functionality which is a 3rd party bit of code. The only way to ensure all the charts are the same size is to remove the labels.

Toaster wrote: Should the Games Started statistic include games hosted by tournaments?

As much I love seeing Steal the Bacon as the #1 board today, it's really only because Round 3 of the tournament began and it created 8 new games.

Hmm I'm not really sure either way on this one... on the one hand it's a genuine game start even if it is a tournament game, on the other you will get distorting effects. Over time as the site grows bigger the distorting effect should get smaller.

Amidon37 wrote: Could someone explain what the numbers on the bottom of some of them mean? For example I am looking at the general charts for the site and am at Games --> Games Started --> Month. Along the x-axis is "days"with 1 - 30. Is that the last 30 days or something else? Also how about Games --> Games Started --> Today. What do the -22 to 1 represent? I see it is a 24 hour time period - so I am guessing it is the last 24 hours with 1 being now. Correct?

Yes that could be a bit clearer. In all the time based charts the right hand side represents 'today' and the numbers either represent days or hours in the past. (for a month it's 1-30 days, for a year it's 1-365 days). Where there's no data for the days it doesn't show them (only at the start, not midway through the data). There I think I've confused myself too :)

tom wrote:

Yes that could be a bit clearer. In all the time based charts the right hand side represents 'today' and the numbers either represent days or hours in the past. (for a month it's 1-30 days, for a year it's 1-365 days). Where there's no data for the days it doesn't show them (only at the start, not midway through the data). There I think I've confused myself too :)

That actually makes a lot of sense, explains something I couldn't figure out.

Looks like today has the most tables started (140 or so). Grow site grow!

Might be tourney rounds starting. But still, a good sign.

http://www.wargear.net/boards/view/Castles/Charts

As a matter of precedent/policy, I want to throw this out for debate: The chart for wins in 2 player games shows a pretty strong advantage to player 1. 70/100 games. Is the expectation that authors use this information to update a map and release a new version? I certainly want to take away the 2 player games as an option (a shame, seeing as how many 2 players games are played on it). How does the community feel about potentially altering the way points/champ-points are earned based on this information?